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From Blu-Ray Bluster to Steam SecuROM Removal - News Roundup 17th March 2010

Jonathan Lester
Bad Company 2, Blu-ray, Microsoft, News, Playstation Move, SecuROM

Lack of Blu-Ray is Key to 360 Success...

From Blu-Ray Bluster to Steam SecuROM Removal - News Roundup 17th March 2010

The Xbox 360's lack of disc space compared to Sony's capacious Blu-Ray has recently come under fire from several publishers, but Microsoft's Product Director has flagged the lack of a high-capacity physical medium as a good thing. In a recent interview with EDGE magazine, Aaron Greenberg has actually stated that the lack of a Blu-Ray or HD/DVD player has actually helped to promote the Xbox 360's sales success!

"Sony bet on the physical disc, and there are costs associated with that. The fact that we're able to offer a console starting at $199 is a benefit of not being burdened with that cost."

"For us, our bet was on digital distribution, that was the future - the ability to [watch] 1080p movies with no disc, no download required; we have the largest movie and TV library, the largest HD library of any console."

Classic damage control at it's finest, folks- but he does have a point. The high launch price of the PS3 did drastically inhibit its first and second year sales- and only several price crashes, some killer exclusives and the release of the PS3 slim helped to mitigate the damage. However, that doesn't explain how Microsoft plans to future-proof the 360 as games continue to require more and more disc space.

Perhaps some sort of highly compressed digital distribution network and the release of a titanic hard drive would do the trick? Microsoft already has its online marketplace ready for just such an occasion... watch this space.

Alright folks, Greenburg has thrown down the gauntlet and it's time for you to get involved! Tell us your views on the struggle for storage in the comments!

[EDGE via CVG]

SecuROM Removed from BFBC2

From Blu-Ray Bluster to Steam SecuROM Removal - News Roundup 17th March 2010

Ubisoft have been taking a lot of (well-deserved) flack from furious gamers thanks to their draconian cloud-based DRM... and it looks like their competitors have been paying attention to the publicity damage that DRM can inflict on a company's image. EA and DICE have announced that SecuROM, the original insidious spyware-based rights management protocol, will be removed from Steam versions of Bad Company 2 with the latest patch.

A good thing too, since SecuROM is nigh-impossible to remove once it's wormed its way into your systems kernel and has been linked to a range of nasty problems. This move is sure to net DICE and its publisher some seriously good publicity.

There once was a time where EA was considered to be a putrid force of pure evil. What's going on?! [DICE Forums]

Playstation Move... moves slowly. Lag alert!

From Blu-Ray Bluster to Steam SecuROM Removal - News Roundup 17th March 2010

Jonathan Ross' recent cackhanded attempts to play Natal volleyball shed light on some nasty inherent lag, but it turns out that its Sony rival has much the same problem. The epic analysts at Digital Foundry brought a 60FPS digital video camera to GDC in order to examine the potential for latency in Playstation Move... and it appears to be fairly significant. However,we can expect this to be tightened up in coming months since the software is still in its alpha phase.

See for yourself.

[Digital Foundry/Eurogamer]

Add a comment18 comments
Gunn  Mar. 17, 2010 at 17:43

Every time some comments on the blu ray capacity to MS they go on about downloading 1080p movies, as if it was something unique to their console. Surely they could have bragged more if they said we opted for regular DVD but backed up with a larger HDD, it was a big mistake not to have a HDD as standard on ALL 360s for the sake of future proofing but I guess like PC's you have to upgrade if you don't have one. The PS3 came with bluray and a standard HDD, and you can upgrade it yourself, can't say fairer than that, I'm sure it's a developers dream in terms of disc space.

Rolly  Mar. 17, 2010 at 18:18

Cant wait to buy a special Microsoft hard drive for the downloads that is 10x the price of the same OEM hard drive elsewhere. Woo... Microsoft can offer a console at $199 because they rely on mentally overpriced addons like the wifi kit, the play and charge kit (just give me a USB cable for F's sake!) and of course the wonderful MS hard drive in a silly plastic case. The Sony offering is a complete pacakge without the overpriced accessories.

Sean  Mar. 17, 2010 at 20:57

You mean...

"The Sony offering is a complete pacakge (SIC) without the choice."

GG. Facts remain, they sold a ton more 360's than ps3's, so the way MS did it was better for more people.

Rolly  Mar. 18, 2010 at 01:20

£70 for a wi-fi adaptor that would cost £20 anywhere else? £20 for a play and charge kit that should have just been a £1 USB cable? £80 for a hard drive that costs £30 anywhere else without the plastic housing?

Sony did bundle a lot of stuff that not everyone would need, but I really resent MS's add-ons being so massively overpriced. Surely MS make enough from the game royalties, so why should they need to invent a new kind of cable to charge the controller? Mental!

Apologies for the spelling mistake. Thanks for pointing it out, it makes your argument a lot stronger ;)

Mosschops  Mar. 18, 2010 at 10:20

Rolly is of course correct - the amount of XBOX owners I know that have had to go out and buy Wifi, overpriced HDD, wireless controllers/charger Live subscription and then upgrade the console to HDMI and they still dont have as good a media player/blu-ray player or as powerful a machine!

All of this and more built in to a better built, better looking, better performing console! I feel for my mates kid who had an XBOX for Christmas then had to spend all his money on these accessories instead of games! Charging kids a subscription to live is also just plain mean.

These are the people that pushed the MS sales right up, but I am willing to bet if they realised a proper like for like price comparison they wouldnt buy the MS again!

Parker  Mar. 18, 2010 at 15:39

OMG, fanboy alert. You PS3 owners think you are so high and mighty. I piss on you from atop my Xbox 360. Actually, I won't piss on you. I wouldn't piss on you even if you were on fire. You, and your overpriced bread bin of a console that crashes during a leap year. So what if you have exclusives like Heavy Rain and God of War 3. I bet the only person on your friends list is your mum. You would add your dad but you are not sure which of the many sailors your mum has had it is.

Rolly  Mar. 18, 2010 at 18:48


Gunn  Mar. 18, 2010 at 20:06

Save your piss for your overheating xbox

Parker  Mar. 18, 2010 at 20:17

Do you two, Rolly and Gunn, live together?? I guess you are jealous that I'm not pissing on you. You probably like it. It's probably what gets you fanboys off.

Seriously though, who cares. The only people who own PS3's are the people who get them from Bright House or Littlewoods/Kays. £2 a week or something. That way, you can spend the rest of your dole money on booze to get your mum drunk so you can bum her. You sit there on the t'internet all day, acting smug because you think, wrongly of course, that you are the king of the castle and all us Xbox 360 owners are the dirty rascals.

Sean  Mar. 18, 2010 at 21:32

Haha, epic

Sean  Mar. 18, 2010 at 21:46

I really don't have any idea what you two are on about.

A) Wifi adapters aren't £70. They're more like £45.

B) Wifi adapters aren't even necessary. They aren't even really recommended as if you want to stream HD Video around then wireless won't cut it. Use Powerlines or Ethernet. So if people want to save the cash instead of being forced to pay for it to be bundled in, they can.

C) Oh wait, your PS3 is stuck with 54G wifi because Sony made it not upgradeable. You will NEVER EVER be able to stream HD video across that. We have the option of upgrading to N adapters which can easily do so.

D) Play and charge kits aren't £20 unless you're a moron. They're more like £12. You can easily buy an entire wired pad for £20 - something unheard of for PS3 owners and their immensely overpriced, crappily designed pads.

E) Play and charge kits aren't even necessary. I just use a regular battery recharger. Zero cost.

F) £80 for a hard drive? Are you on drugs? They've never cost £80.

G) HDMI cable? £5 at a push. Big deal.

So, you can pick elites up at the moment for £150. PS3's are about £230-£250. I don't want wireless as I use ethernet as its better. I don't want a play and charge kit as I prefer to use rechargeable batteries. It comes with a 120gb hard drive.

So for me, and many in my position, 360 = £150, PS3 = £240 ish. Plus it has far better online support, far better exclusives, cross platform games are more often than not better (due to 360s being much easier to develop for), and so on. Even if I wanted wireless (£45), and a play and charge kit (£12), it would still be a good deal cheaper than the PS3.

Quite how you're still trying to blindly sell that PS3's are cheaper is absolute blind fanboy stupidity.

I do concede one point though, the PS3 is a much better media player.

Gunn  Mar. 18, 2010 at 22:36

Perhaps due to you omitting the XBL subscription from your costs, but no doubt you'll say you don't have to buy that but everyone knows its practically necessary

Gunn  Mar. 18, 2010 at 22:39

I actually think there are some fantastic games for the 360, granted most you can play on the PC, but in terms of it offering miles better value for money I just don't buy it, I'm entitled to my opinion as are you no need to bring the level down.

Rolly  Mar. 18, 2010 at 23:48

My 360 is a good machine and has done me proud, especially now I dont have to listen to the DVD drive anymore, whirring mentally everytime I boot up a game. I havent had any RROD problems but I personally resent paying for online - with the exception of in game chat there's no difference to the PS3 online in my experience.

Parker, I have had enough of you having a go at my mum - you know she has a drink problem and its upsetting and humiliating that you bring it up on a public forum like this. And to bring up my pissing fetish is even more inconceivable. Have you no compassion at all? I told you that in complete confidence. That's the last time I trust you with sensitive information.

Rolly  Mar. 18, 2010 at 23:59

I guess the PS3 package with the built in stuff works well for me, but I can see the Xbox business model works better for you.

But for me its the principle - I have always resented how MS went to a lot of trouble to build a play and charge cable when they could have honestly just used a USB cable which would have been easier for them and everyone else. It seems very cynical to me to go out of your way as a manufacturer to create something that isnt universal so you can charge people more. (Sony do that with their MP3 players and phones, and it annoys me just as much)

Before the 360 was released, at E3 their presentation was all about how they could sell the console at a loss, and then make up for that loss on accessories. Of course Sony do that too to some extent, and make the money back on the games and take a hit on the console, but MS went the extra mile with that pesky cable and the Wifi adaptor and the tiny but pricey HDD.

I still think £45 for a Wi-Fi adaptor too is annoying, when you can pick one up for £15-£20 for a PC. Not to mention the hard drives. Why didnt MS do what Sony did and just let you whack any hard drive in? Why have we got to pay for their special one thats nice and small? I really think they're going to have to let people put their own HDD in for the 720, I mean its just common sense isnt it?

Sean  Mar. 19, 2010 at 02:34

I agree with the play and charge kit - its why I don't have one and just use rechargeables instead.

However, the rest of the accessories, as with all first party console accessories, are priced as you really expect them to be. Do you remember paying £40 for your 8mb memory card on the PS2? or wonder why your dual shock pads are £35 when you can pick third party pads up for £10? or wonder why Play TV is £40-£50 when you can pick up a usb PVR for £15?

All first party console accessories, for as long as I can remember, have been overpriced. It's not something MS have invented.

The benefit of the way the hard drives work for the 360, is that if I'm going to a mates house and want to take my mp3 collection/videos/games, I can just unclip the hard drive and plug it into his 360. Wouldn't be able to do that if it was built in. But for that simplicity, we pay for it.

Oh, XBL subscription? £2.20 ish a month. Which buys a massively all round better service. And there are very loud rumours that Sony are going to have to start charging for the PS3 online very soon.

Parker  Mar. 19, 2010 at 11:47

Rolly, I'm sorry that I broke your trust. What is done in your own home, bedroom, pub car park, £50 per 5 minutes webcam session, should not have been brought up here. This site is about games and saving money.

I agree with you on the cost of LIVE though. I managed to pick up 12 months for $30 (at the time £19) on eBay.com just before christmas. The RRP of £40, or the £4 a month, Microsoft charge is crap to be honest. All you get for the cost is online play, as all the extra stuff, like the feature videos are available to silver members anyway.

Windows 7  Mar. 20, 2010 at 14:35

Of course MS are going to let as many go to the PC as possible that is their main platform they don't care about you fanboys as long as you buy windows and the game they win either way.

Do you seriously think if Windows was called SONY WINDOWS 7 etc that every PS3 exclusive wouldn't be on there ? you have no business sense at all.

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