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REPORT: PS4 Chipset Based on AMD A10 APU Series, Has Optical BR Drive

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REPORT: PS4 Chipset Based on AMD A10 APU Series, Has Optical BR Drive

Fresh details have apparently emerged today regarding Sony's successor to the PS3, with "multiple sources" confirming that the PS3 - still being referred to by Sony solely under the codename "Orbis" - will once again feature Blu-Ray (rather than a purely digital setup), and will bring with it a revamped UI and a processor based on AMD's combined-chip A10 series.

The report comes via VG247, with their sources relaying information divulged at a “disclosure meeting” for US developers at Sony’s offices this week - designed to show off the coming hardware, and outline what it can do ahead of a fresh round of dev kits being issued. Apparently Sony are only referring to the next-gen hardware under the codename "Orbis", and are yet to even come close to uttering the phrase "Playstation 4".

This new batch of dev kits will be the second wave to go out, with a third version, more closely resembling the final specs, to be dispatched in January, and the fourth and final kit slated for "next summer”.

Sources revealed to VG247 that "of course" the Orbis will have an optical Blu-Ray drive, and that the new series of dev kits being sent out are sporting “either 8Gb or 16Gb of RAM.” The hard-drive will apparently come in at 256GB “as standard”, although, as the article notes, there's no indication as to whether or not it'll be a solid-state drive.

Furthermore, the Orbis is said to be based on the AMD A10 APU series, with the console's processor "derivative" of existing A10 hardware  and “based on A10 system and base platform”.

Sources report that Sony's goal is to create something “very affordable” but that “isn’t a slouch”.

As well as hardware changes, it looks  like the UI will get an overhaul as well. Apparently, "players will now be able to press the PS button mid-game and travel 'anywhere' on the system", allowing for PS Store purchases to be made mid-game. Furthermore, the sources revealed that Sony are designing a machine that will allow for system updates to run in the background, no doubt hoping to create an infrastructure that doesn't have to be taken offline every other week.

Sony are hoping to announce the Orbis at an event “just before E3″ next year.

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gunnx  Nov. 1, 2012 at 17:09

Glad to hear it has blu-ray, does this mean backward compatibility for ps3?
I take it dev kits are maxed out on ram, is it more likely to have 4gb?

Anarchist  Nov. 1, 2012 at 17:47

Glad to hear it has blu-ray, does this mean backward compatibility for ps3?
I take it dev kits are maxed out on ram, is it more likely to have 4gb?


It will be backwards compatible on launch, then Sony will 'continue to invest and develop' and remove it after a few months LOL

Last edited by Anarchist, Nov. 1, 2012 at 17:48
Shadowmancer88  Nov. 1, 2012 at 18:47

It will be backwards compatible in a digital sense not a physical sense, so optical discs probably won't work but digital copies would so Plus subscribers won't be screwed.

ImNotHere2  Nov. 1, 2012 at 19:12

I seriously doubt there'll be ANY backwards compatibility with PS3 software/games.

The "Cell Broadband Engine" cpu in the PS3 is a rather unique architecture, I'd wager hardware emulation would be too costly, and software emulation would be too buggy and would incur far too high a performance hit, and tbh I don't see the PS4 cpu being massively faster if based on anything like any currently available A10 cpu.

tl;dr: backwards compatibility doubtful...

Anarchist  Nov. 1, 2012 at 19:18

It will be backwards compatible in a digital sense not a physical sense, so optical discs probably won't work but digital copies would so Plus subscribers won't be screwed.


Seriously, stop making **** up, nothing has been announced or suggested by Sony.

If it ran digitally downloaded ps3 games, that would mean it had all the necessary hardware to run disc based titles, seeing as there is no difference at all other than they come on a blu ray instead. Which the new console is rumoured to have too. Moron.

Anarchist  Nov. 1, 2012 at 19:25

But, seeing as they are rumoured to be drastically changing chip architecture, the AMD architecture will not be able to run Cell code. So no, if current rumours are true, there will be no way it is backwards compatible.

The only other way that it would be backwards compatible was if they stuffed a PS3 inside its case. But again, learning from the PS3 where they initially did this (so PS2 titles would run on the PS3) but quickly removed this as they realised it was making the console far too expensive to produce, there is no way they will make the same mistake again.

So, if current rumours are true, which I believe is far more than likely, looking at this logically, then no. I would put it at a 90% chance that the PS4 (or whatever it's called) will not be backwards compatible with PS3.

Shadowmancer88  Nov. 1, 2012 at 19:40

It will be backwards compatible in a digital sense not a physical sense, so optical discs probably won't work but digital copies would so Plus subscribers won't be screwed.


Seriously, stop making **** up, nothing has been announced or suggested by Sony.

If it ran digitally downloaded ps3 games, that would mean it had all the necessary hardware to run disc based titles, seeing as there is no difference at all other than they come on a blu ray instead. Which the new console is rumoured to have too. Moron.


Really current PS3's cannot play PS2 games but they can play download PSN PS2 games.

Anarchist  Nov. 1, 2012 at 19:58

It will be backwards compatible in a digital sense not a physical sense, so optical discs probably won't work but digital copies would so Plus subscribers won't be screwed.


Seriously, stop making **** up, nothing has been announced or suggested by Sony.

If it ran digitally downloaded ps3 games, that would mean it had all the necessary hardware to run disc based titles, seeing as there is no difference at all other than they come on a blu ray instead. Which the new console is rumoured to have too. Moron.


Really current PS3's cannot play PS2 games but they can play download PSN PS2 games.


No they cannot. Name one then.

Unless the game has been specifically ported to the ps3, there is not a single ps2 game that will run on a ps3 without the emotion engine internals that the release ps3's came with.

Ps1 games though are a different matter. Then run on the ps3 EMULATED. Because the ps3 has enough power to emulate the ps1, but nowhere enough to emulate the ps2.

Shadowmancer88  Nov. 1, 2012 at 20:42

It will be backwards compatible in a digital sense not a physical sense, so optical discs probably won't work but digital copies would so Plus subscribers won't be screwed.


Seriously, stop making **** up, nothing has been announced or suggested by Sony.

If it ran digitally downloaded ps3 games, that would mean it had all the necessary hardware to run disc based titles, seeing as there is no difference at all other than they come on a blu ray instead. Which the new console is rumoured to have too. Moron.


Really current PS3's cannot play PS2 games but they can play download PSN PS2 games.


No they cannot. Name one then.

Unless the game has been specifically ported to the ps3, there is not a single ps2 game that will run on a ps3 without the emotion engine internals that the release ps3's came with.

Ps1 games though are a different matter. Then run on the ps3 EMULATED. Because the ps3 has enough power to emulate the ps1, but nowhere enough to emulate the ps2.


Nope.avi http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_Store#Content
PS2 games that are digital (i.e emulated) can play on any PS3 however hardware disc titles cannot as they require the PS2 hardware.

Mark my words this will happen to PS3 games on the PS4 as theres no way they will put in Cell CPU's and RSX's inside.

Anarchist  Nov. 1, 2012 at 22:33

It will be backwards compatible in a digital sense not a physical sense, so optical discs probably won't work but digital copies would so Plus subscribers won't be screwed.


Seriously, stop making **** up, nothing has been announced or suggested by Sony.

If it ran digitally downloaded ps3 games, that would mean it had all the necessary hardware to run disc based titles, seeing as there is no difference at all other than they come on a blu ray instead. Which the new console is rumoured to have too. Moron.


Really current PS3's cannot play PS2 games but they can play download PSN PS2 games.


No they cannot. Name one then.

Unless the game has been specifically ported to the ps3, there is not a single ps2 game that will run on a ps3 without the emotion engine internals that the release ps3's came with.

Ps1 games though are a different matter. Then run on the ps3 EMULATED. Because the ps3 has enough power to emulate the ps1, but nowhere enough to emulate the ps2.


Nope.avi http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_Store#Content
PS2 games that are digital (i.e emulated) can play on any PS3 however hardware disc titles cannot as they require the PS2 hardware.

Mark my words this will happen to PS3 games on the PS4 as theres no way they will put in Cell CPU's and RSX's inside.


You are wrong, and you are a moron. Do you even own a ps3!?

I said, name some ps2 games that run on the ps3, games that were not specifically ported to the ps3 (one that isn't an old fat ps3 with the emotion engine internals). Until you do that, stop posting **** - because that is all you know. There is zero difference, absolutely NONE, between a disc based game and a download based game when it comes to if a console can run it or not.

Seriously, just stop posting, you are embarrassing yourself. You obviously know very little about anything, you've obviously never owned a ps3, and you have no right to be making comments like you have.

Last edited by Anarchist, Nov. 1, 2012 at 22:39
Shadowmancer88  Nov. 2, 2012 at 01:26

It will be backwards compatible in a digital sense not a physical sense, so optical discs probably won't work but digital copies would so Plus subscribers won't be screwed.


Seriously, stop making **** up, nothing has been announced or suggested by Sony.

If it ran digitally downloaded ps3 games, that would mean it had all the necessary hardware to run disc based titles, seeing as there is no difference at all other than they come on a blu ray instead. Which the new console is rumoured to have too. Moron.


Really current PS3's cannot play PS2 games but they can play download PSN PS2 games.


No they cannot. Name one then.

Unless the game has been specifically ported to the ps3, there is not a single ps2 game that will run on a ps3 without the emotion engine internals that the release ps3's came with.

Ps1 games though are a different matter. Then run on the ps3 EMULATED. Because the ps3 has enough power to emulate the ps1, but nowhere enough to emulate the ps2.


Nope.avi http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_Store#Content
PS2 games that are digital (i.e emulated) can play on any PS3 however hardware disc titles cannot as they require the PS2 hardware.

Mark my words this will happen to PS3 games on the PS4 as theres no way they will put in Cell CPU's and RSX's inside.


You are wrong, and you are a moron. Do you even own a ps3!?

I said, name some ps2 games that run on the ps3, games that were not specifically ported to the ps3 (one that isn't an old fat ps3 with the emotion engine internals). Until you do that, stop posting **** - because that is all you know. There is zero difference, absolutely NONE, between a disc based game and a download based game when it comes to if a console can run it or not.

Seriously, just stop posting, you are embarrassing yourself. You obviously know very little about anything, you've obviously never owned a ps3, and you have no right to be making comments like you have.


*Cough* http://www.ps3trophies.org/news/news-8168-This-Week-on-the-PSN-[The-PAL-Edition].html

Hmm... there seems to be 3 PS2 games here re-released as emulated games for PS3 users just a fortnight ago that are not remakes or HD remakes.

As for the PS3 not being powerful lol it has 6 seudo cpu cores that run at 3.4GHZ (not including the one for XMB and one switched off for balancing).

The PS3 currently software emulates everything but PS3 games without hardware. To say that one needs the dedicated hardware for games is laughing, as it possible to emulate almost every console game up to and including the last generation on a PC using community based software emulation.

But I do agree with you that we should stop posting as arguing on the internet makes us both look like idiots.

Btw I do own a PS3 its been my favourite console this generation :)

Anarchist  Nov. 2, 2012 at 11:40

*Cough* http://www.ps3trophies.org/news/news-8168-This-Week-on-the-PSN-[The-PAL-Edition].html

Hmm... there seems to be 3 PS2 games here re-released as emulated games for PS3 users just a fortnight ago that are not remakes or HD remakes.

As for the PS3 not being powerful lol it has 6 seudo cpu cores that run at 3.4GHZ (not including the one for XMB and one switched off for balancing).

The PS3 currently software emulates everything but PS3 games without hardware. To say that one needs the dedicated hardware for games is laughing, as it possible to emulate almost every console game up to and including the last generation on a PC using community based software emulation.

But I do agree with you that we should stop posting as arguing on the internet makes us both look like idiots.

Btw I do own a PS3 its been my favourite console this generation :)


Sigh,

you do realise how those PS2 downloads on PSN came about don't you? Well, firstly, they only started appearing late last year/early this year. Seven (?) years after the consoles release.

Because, they are not PS2 native games. They are PS2 games, that have been redeveloped to run emulated on the PS3. That is why there are so few of them (compared to the 2000+ titles I believe the PS2 had), and that is why they are usually throwaway titles that offered nothing in the way of visuals.

You're still coming across as some crazed fanboy. It's embarrassing. You clearly struggle with basic reading, too, I never said that, the PS3 wasn't 'powerful', I said it wasn't powerful enough to emulate the PS2 perfectly enough to run native PS2 code. This is mostly down to the PS2's GS chip fill rate being insanely high - the PS3 simply lacks the power to emulate the GS chip properly, and the titles need to be recoded to fit the PS3 architecture.

as it possible to emulate almost every console game up to and including the last generation on a PC


ON A PC. The PS3 is not a PC. The PS3 is nowhere near the capabilities of any modern PC's. My four year old C2D Shuttle build easily outperforms the PS3.

And stop quoting specs. It makes you sound even more like a moronic, rabid, fanboy.

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